Kenny and Mark continue exploring Madonna’s (semi) autobiographical songwriting on this “shoulda been” classic Madonna power ballad. Topics include: male authority figures, Simon & Garfunkel’s Concert in Central Park, Kenny’s love of acoustic gravitas, the return of David Fincher, threatening shadows, singing statues, Charlton Wilborn, and an ode to one of the greatest moments in Madonna Hair History. Plus … another Special Guest (and longtime listener) joins Mark to discuss his experience performing the song … Dominic Yacobozzi!
All I Want To Do Is Talk About Madonna
S2, E8 - Dear Jessie
Mark rescues this off-beat gem from Like a Prayer while not even candy kisses and a sunny day can keep Kenny from hijacking the episode with a dreadful reminder of what a difference a decade makes. It’s not ALWAYS a holiday (or a love parade) around here, kids.
S2, E7 - Cherish
Kenny and Mark dive into Side Two of Like a Prayer with one of the most romantic songs in the whole canon. Topics include Herb Ritts, shooting mermen in black & white, Tony Ward, the importance of reading plays to write sincere lyrics, and Mark’s dream Shakespeare casting for Madonna. Plus … a Very Special Guest joins Mark to discuss her long and quite personal relationship with the song … his sister Kate!
S2,E6 - Promise to Try
Kenny and Mark close Side One of Like a Prayer with this gorgeous and aching Pat Leonard ballad. Topics include Madonna’s recording style, the power of long creative relationships, shifting narrative perspectives in songs, and the impact therapy can have on the creative process as well as Madonna’s spide-y sense about the changing landscapes in pop music.
S2, E5- Til Death Do Us Part
Kenny and Mark deep dive into the true lost gem from side one of Like a Prayer. Topics include Sean Penn, Sean Penn, Sean Penn, and … oh yeah … Sean Penn Version.2016 as well as autobiographical songwriting, Madonna’s brand of artistic revenge, the frustrations and merits of working hard, and lots of armchair psychology over the nature of relationships, time, and the need for vulnerability. Stuff is getting REAL, kids …
S2, E4 - Love Song
The music universe explodes (implodes?) as Madonna and Prince team up in the studio at last … to create this experimental, slightly bizarre pop oddity. Topics include Minneapolis and Paisley Park, Batdance and Sign O’ The Times, Daisy Miller, Kenny’s favorite Prince duet, gender, and the long-lost Royal Tour. The first true “duet” in the Madonna canon begs the question … are there any lost Madonna/Prince tracks?
Madonna – Nothing Compares 2 U Tribute to Prince at the Billboard Music Awards (2016)
Prince – Batdance video (1989)
Prince – Take Me With U live on the Purple Rain Tour 85
Prince et al – While My Guitar Gently Weeps Tribute at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (2004)
S2, E3 - Express Yourself
And the hits keep coming! Kenny and Mark dive deep into the anthemic, brash, and second track (and single) from Like a Prayer. Topics include DAVID FINCHER (welcome to MadonnaUniverse, David!), Metropolis, the return of Stephen Bray, the intriguing beauty of Cameron Alborzian, and the polarizing Shep Pettibone remixes of (yet another) classic Madonna song.
S2, E2 - Like A Prayer
Mark kicks off the conversation about Madonna’s masterpiece fourth album with a testimony to Kenny about the personal power and passion of Like a Prayer. Topics include Prince, Mary Lambert, Sean Penn, Pepsi-Cola, Niki Harris, the Andre Crouch Choir, and the narrative hiccups in the ground-breaking video of this classic Madonna song.
Madonna – Like a Prayer video (1989)
Madonna – Like a Prayer live on the Blonde Ambition Tour 90 (Japanese Laser Disk Version)
S2, E1 - Prologue - 1988
Waiting is the hardest part … Finally … At LONG Last … Season Two (1988-1993) kicks off! Kenny and Mark drops back into New York, circa 1988 - a year when Madonna starred on Broadway, sashayed with Sandra, laid into Letterman, and got photographed … a LOT! She also wrote and recorded what would become considered her first masterpiece album Like a Prayer and faced the truth about her future as Mrs. Sean Penn. There are many special surprises and treats in store for you this season so stay safe and keep listening! We missed you so much.
Surprise Bonus Episode - It's Madonna's Bday and we needed to check in
It’s August 16th and we all know what that means - time to stop what you’re doing, get on the appropriately socially distant dance-floor and celebrate the birth of M. Mark and Kenny check in about everything from M’s guest spot on Dua Lipa’s “Levitating”, her instagram hits and misses, a new record deal and how each are coping in month five of the pandemic. There’s a lot in M’s orbit as she begins her 63rd trip around the Sun.
BONUS - unedited Madame X Tour response
A little bonus for the hardcore. On September 30, 2019 Mark and Kenny sat down to debrief about the Madame X Tour which was in residence at the Brooklyn Academy of Music. Here’s the entire unedited conversation. At over an hour this is our longest episode - for better and for worse. Enjoy!!
Have a great rest of the summer! We’ll back in September to kick off Season Two - 1988-1993.
Until then.
S1, E37 - You Can Dance
Mark and Kenny dive into all the Dub Versions, homemade singing bootlegs, and the glorious second side of Madonna’s first compilation album, 1987’s magnificent You Can Dance. Shep Pettibone arrives on the scene to re-mix Madonna’s greatest dance songs – and helps her remind her who SHE really is.
s1, E36 - Who's That Girl World Tour
Get out your parachute pants and fasten your cordless mic pack - this is about to get wild! Kenny and Mark return to the summer of 1987 for Madonna’s first stadium (and international) tour - the Who’s That Girl Tour! Topics include the distance of a stadium stage, Madonna’s (already) stressful relationship with her hits, the cordless microphone hand-off, which song on the setlist Kenny always fast-forwards through, and the career highs of the legendary Shabba-Doo. Ciao Italia, indeed!!
s1, E35 - Who's that Girl soundtrack/film
Mark and Kenny bust out prison and unpack the comedic misfire 1987 film Who’s That Girl? as well as the four Madonna songs on what remains a spotty soundtrack. This conversation includes the acting grace of Griffin Dunne, the (unrequited?) passions of director James Foley, the ever-present children in the eponymous song video, Stephen Bray’s musical scoring, and celebrating a true “lost” Madonna classic. Will Kenny and Mark ever dance together in a club to a Shep Pettibone remix? Did Madonna ever vanquish her reputation as a “movie killer”? Questions to answer this summer.
Causing A Commotion (Silver Screen Mix)
Causing A Commotion (Movie House Mix)
S1, E34 True Blue The Fadeout
Kenny and Mark wrap up the True Blue album with a discussion of death and mortality, imagery as an artistic (and promotional) tool, Herb Ritts (and Kenny’s aborted career as a model), Cyndi Lauper, and the end of the sweet innocence of youth.
S1, E33 - Love Makes the World Go Round
Kenny and Mark examine the first Madonna message song, the sentimental decision-making of Pat Leonard, charity records, tambourines, and the challenge of writing a cliché-less lyric on the final track from True Blue.
S1, E32 - Jimmy Jimmy
Another deep-cut gets the kudos it deserves. Kenny and Mark discuss quirky keyboards, the influences of Stephen Bray, classic 50s girl group shout-outs, the arrival of Compact Disc, and just exactly WHO the Jimmy is that Madonna is singing about. We’ll hear you next time …
S1, E31 - La Isla Bonita
Kenny and Mark celebrate the ultimate yearning Madonna song. Topics include the power of haircuts and wigs, the influence and courting of the Latin America audience, and the return of Mary Lambert for the video. Whatever happened to Bruce Gaitsch?
S1, E30 - True Blue
The title track proves its mettle and lasting power as Kenny and Mark discuss Sean Penn continuing presence, Debi Mazar and Erica Bell, a quickie video shoot, and the “Make My Video” contest on MTV.
S1, E29 - Where's the Party
Kenny and Mark search for the Party on side two of True Blue. Madonna’s average work week, block parties in Harlem, Melanie Griffith, and creative Siedah Garrett overdubs are examined in this bid for song of the summer. follow us and stay connected on insta @alliwant2doistalkaboutmadonna
