Mark and Kenny light up some clove cigarettes to discuss the daring and deliciously disconcerting third song from Madame X. Topics include illusionary disco, plethoras of motifs, threatening strings, the Wooster Group, nostalgic coos, useless founding fathers, Casey Spooner, not-so-secret villains, disruptive choirs, James Baldwin, new democracies, Jonas Akerlund, Taylor Swift, Patti Smith, trash cans, Party Girl Vera, sparkly nail polish and dangerous lace gloves, confusing time stamps, the illusions of nostalgia, Madame X’s short story, and the numbing (and ongoing) conversation about Madonna’s gun imagery and gun control. Plus, Mark climbs down a fire escape and Kenny holds out for the VIP section on Pride Island. “WAKE UP!”
